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Rail Proposal Calls For Long Island Sound Tunnel

High-speed rail project would cost $103 billion for new service between Washington D.C. and Boston, make Long Island an important hub.

The fabled cross-Sound tunnel, a project that's taken on many forms and spanned the decades, has gained new life as part of a high-speed rail proposal serving 27 million passengers connecting Boston with Washington D.C.  

As part of a pitch to Amtrak for its Northeast Corridor vision plan, the University of Pennsylvania's School of Design called for a tunnel spanning the Long Island Sound from Port Jefferson to Milford, Conn., according to The Hartford Courant.

That's nothing new for Long Islanders, who were told when the first section of the that the roadway would eventually connect Oyster Bay with Rye, N.Y. The Rte. 135 tunnel never materialized.

The 450-mile, $103 billion route offered up by PennDesign would include an 18-mile long tunnel, phase two of the overall project to be completed by 2035. The rail would make in Ronkonkoma a hub and move west to undisclosed stops in Suffolk and Nassau en route to JFK Airport and then New York City.

Under the cross-Sound plan, Long Island would be linked more closely with New Haven and Hartford.

Amtrak's own proposal, with trains reaching top speeds of 200 mph, bypasses Long Island entirely and is estimated at $151 billion.

The dual plans are both part of an overall effort that has taken shape since President Barack Obama took office to improve rail service in the so-called Northeast "mega-region," and get more high-speed trains in service between Washington and Boston.

Half of the new rail system would be built adjacent to existing lines, such as the Long Island Rail Road, the PennDesign report said. It would cut down congestion on roadways and at airports, reduce pollution and traffic deaths as well as for Long Islanders.

Another benefit to the new rail line, the report said, would be coupling with the telecom industry to lay fiber optic cable and energy companies for natural gas pipelines.

With reporting by  and .

K. September 5, 2012 at 02:37 pm
Maybe money should just be shoveled directly into the Sound and bypass the artifice of building anything profitable.
Steven Eiselen September 5, 2012 at 02:58 pm
The idea is AWESOME! Been excited about the concept of a northeast megalopolis high speed system, and a cross sound tunnel, and a modernized freight and commuter rail system across Long Island - and this merges them all!
Pazi Steklo September 5, 2012 at 03:34 pm
What they should do is connect all the islands east of Orient to Rhode Island via a bridge just like the Key West Rt 1. Bridge, except, have rail lines running in the middle of the highway.
Nassau Taxpayer September 5, 2012 at 03:48 pm
What? And bypass political patronage contract awards?
Jason Molinet (Editor) September 5, 2012 at 04:08 pm
You'd need something longer than the 7-mile bridge that connects Marathon to the Lower Keys.
Doug Perry September 5, 2012 at 04:47 pm
Anyone who thinks this is even a remotely good idea should check with the California residents who are going to foot the bill for a 68 Billion high speed rail line between San Francisco and LA. Of course it will come from Federal Funding (taxpayer dollars) and Bonds along with hundreds of millions in new tolls and taxes. McArthur Airport will hopefully never become a major hub. Right now its a great fly to fly in and out of. Furthermore, the Islip residents don't want any more air traffic. Any such rail line would radically transpose Pt Jeff and quite possibly the East End of LI which is busy enough. You will never get people out of their cars to the point where they will put their trust in public transportation. Its a move to create jobs with a 10 to 20 year project for which the taxpayers and residents would foot the bill. Oyster Bay and the North Shore of Nassau County wanted nothing to do with extending the SOB so why would anyone expect Pt Jeff to feel any different.
Tom September 5, 2012 at 04:56 pm
Did you notice the date... 2035. If people are still in cars they will running them on what?
Chris K September 5, 2012 at 05:30 pm
electric
Al 17 September 5, 2012 at 07:18 pm
Why don't we just build a damn bridge already across the sound. We live a in a nuclear world and Iran is on the verge of obtaining such a weapon. If they get long range capability as well, don't think for a second that NYC would not be a target and if that should happen, just how the hell would Long Islanders get off the island? Or in the immediate aftermath, how would the survivors get necessary supplies or help? Its a joke that a bridge has never been built.
Doug Perry September 5, 2012 at 07:30 pm
Al, I have to say that I love your rationale for building a bridge to escape a nuclear attack. I would prefer to take my chances on LI as opposed to dying a slow death in New Haven, Ct!
K Dawg September 5, 2012 at 08:02 pm
Never will Happen, The LIRR is hitting so much NIMBY crying just trying to get a third track between Hicksville and Queens Village, so now they are trying to put a second track between Farmingdale and Ronkonkoma, the crying has already started. What happened to the intermodal terminal at old state hospital at Pinelawn? Dead in the water also. The bridge to Rye from 135... DOA and the list goes on and on.
Face it folks nothing ever gets built in NY and let alone Long Island anymore, except a new strip mall that will sit empty for years. So we will continue to sit in traffic. Oh well as Sonny said the Cher "The Beat Goes On"
Doug Perry September 5, 2012 at 08:41 pm
Its pretty clear that they will be running them on Hot Air from the likes of guess who?
JOE September 6, 2012 at 02:01 am
Just another dream . Most of us will be either in our 80's or dead by the time this thing is buillt . What ever happen with the train to the poconos that they talked about 30 or 40 years ago?
Richard Dernister September 6, 2012 at 11:35 am
Before you get carried away with dreams of jobs and "development" of Suffolk County, consider what goes along with it: Suffolk County will end up being the new Queens . . . or worse. Even as it is this county has gone from ducks and potatoes to (in part) slums and violence, all within a matter of a few short decades. It's not going to get better, and placing a major transportation hub out here will hasten the process. Moreover, the kinds of jobs likely to come along with this project will be mostly menial, manual labor-type jobs: not the kind your kids are going to want.
Justin Time September 6, 2012 at 11:38 am
This is a joke, right????
Mike September 6, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Tragic for Port Jeff. Good for th North East corridor. Shift it to Nassau County.
Nassau Taxpayer September 6, 2012 at 01:02 pm
N-I-M-B-Y much?
Steven Eiselen September 6, 2012 at 02:49 pm
Let's play "Count how many Long Island NIMBY buzzwords you can see"!!!
1: "will end up being the new Queens" 2: from (nostalgia) to (horrible present) 3: "will hasten a [bad process]" 4: "we dont want traffic" -or- "it will cause traffic" 5: hoping a major resource never grows to benefit region (MacArthur) 6: the 'taxpayers' will "foot the bill" (whether we know its the case or not) 7: comparing projects here with notable failures elsewhere (without successes)
FYI September 6, 2012 at 03:01 pm
Depends on who is running the country. But it most likely will be a fossil fuel provided by our own copious reserves. Electric vehicles will be around but how would we generate all the electricity to charge all the vehicles? And who is going to make up all the lost revenue now paid to the government in road use taxes now built into gasoline and diesel? I'll be happy just to be around in 2035!
Brian Karcher September 6, 2012 at 03:49 pm
this has NO CHANCE of happening
Kevin Hyms September 6, 2012 at 04:15 pm
This would be a great economic benefit for the Ronkonkoma area.
Kevin H.
Rich Murdocco September 6, 2012 at 06:59 pm
The best history of the Rye-Bayville Bridge is found in the 1988 book Robert Moses: Single-Minded Genius. The book was the product of a symposium that re-examined the Moses Legacy on his 100th birthday, and devoted a whole chapter to telling the story of Rockefeller, Moses and the unbuilt bridge.
Grifhunter September 6, 2012 at 07:04 pm
By the time they turn the first clod of dirt, I'll be at least a 800 miles out of this tax you up the wazoo sinkhole of an island. Nobody thinks long term because everyody wants out. Six figure cops and teachers, and half a million dollar school administrators? Not with my money. When my last kid graduates, wooooooosh! the sound of my ass and my money going to greener pastures. Enjoy the traffic. Bye.
Nassau Taxpayer September 6, 2012 at 07:07 pm
Don't let the gate on the toll booth hit you in the @ss as you leave.
Justin Time September 6, 2012 at 07:50 pm
Chances of Moses "parting the waves" is better than putting a tunnel through.
Dont worrieeee...it will NEVA happen!!!
meowkats4 September 9, 2012 at 01:24 am
We have this same article on our Patch here in Connecticut, Amtrak was thinking about going through Connecticut with NO STOPS, then someone here in Connecticut must have put their political foot down and then it was agreed the plans would have 3 stops in Connecticut. Two days later out came the plan of University of Pennsylvania's School of Design, again coming down from Boston right through Connecticut and going under the Long Island Sound!
I agree, we need to see more infrastructure being done here in the good ole USA. We have fallen behind compared to other countries. We need to know more about this whole thing. These trains are going to run at very high speeds and NOT make a lot of STOPS (Boston to Washington D.C.)
Fred September 9, 2012 at 01:48 pm
first of all, the Amtrak plan that avoids LI costs 151 bill as opposed to the cross sound idea at 101 bill, so I'm sure our government will pick the most expensive one ( more patronage jobs, pork spending). Second, whose saying that this train is actually stopping here. Having Acela trains rocket through Port Jeff at 200 mph every hour doesn't exactly help our economy. The idea of connecting LI to CT by tunnel or bridge is logical, in fact almost necessary, but lets face it, it will never get done. I can't put up a 5 foot fence this town without months of paperwork and a ton of money.
Jason September 9, 2012 at 02:29 pm
Just another scam where they quote 103 billion and 180 billion dollars later, the project is still unfinished and your taxes have doubled. No thanks.
Paul Packer September 9, 2012 at 03:15 pm
This would create a lot more business opportunities and create a lot more jobs in Long Island. And a rail line eliminates the car traffic that an automobile bridge or tunnel would create. I'd like to hear more details about the plans. This could be a big economic boon for LI.
LivingSmall September 28, 2012 at 06:28 pm
Don't worry. The Mayan calendar didn't go that high.

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