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Discussing Occupy Wall Street Part 2: Are Corporations Really People?

How can donations by an inanimate object (corporation/union/lobbyist group) be protected under free speech?

This week I'd like to discuss the second grievance listed by the  Occupy Wall Street Movement.

2. Rejection of the Citizens United Case: The immediate abrogation, even if it requires a Constitutional Amendment, of the outrageous and anti-democratic holding in the "Citizens United" case proclaimed by the United States Supreme Court. This heinous decision equates the payment of money by corporations, wealthy individuals and unions to politicians with the exercise of protected free speech. We, the People, demand that this institutional bribery and corruption never again be deemed protected free speech.

Campaign contributions by corporations, unions and lobbyist groups have always been questionable to me. As with point one when these large groups "donate" large sums of money towards a campaign  I honestly doubt it's out of the goodness of their hearts. They are buying favors from the person that promises them the most.  As for donations from wealthy individuals to me this is a little iffy because if a wealthy person wants to donate all their cash to a particular candidate well it is there money and who am I to tell them what to do with it.

However, corporation/union/lobbyist groups are not a person.  A person is defined as a human being, whether man, woman, or child. Last I checked, the groups listed above are neither man, woman or child, they are a legal entity that represents the interests of men, women and children but not one themselves.

Each individual has their own beliefs/values and should donate accordingly. Personally I would not want money that could be used for a better than a 2.5 percent raise every two years, going to a candidate that I probably don't even share the same same views with.

What are your thoughts?

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James M. November 09, 2011 at 02:21 PM
For the people that support these initiatives there is still hope for a better future. For some people the loss of hope is all they have to hold on to now.
Andrew B. Herzman November 10, 2011 at 01:07 PM
"Did you have some other constitutional way they could have decided it?" Um. yeah. Count the votes! The ONLY constitutional way they could have decided it. Where in the Constitution does it say the Supreme Court gets to decide who is president? Your vote didn't count and you aren't bothered? YIKES! It may have been "effective", but it sure wasn't constitutional! Nothing disingenuous about being upset that my vote didin't count, even after all this time. If it doesn't bother you, how about we just let the Supreme Court decide who the president should be all the time? That would save us a the bother of going to vote. BTW Here are the dots you couldn't connect. Corporations=People=Voters=Elections=2000 Election It's not that difficult.
Andrew B. Herzman November 11, 2011 at 01:46 PM
1. Have the rich and giant corporations pay their fair share of taxes. (Same PERCENTAGE without loopholes) 2. Make it illegal for corporations to donate money to politicians 3. No more bank bailouts with tax money 4. Fine corporations for sending jobs overseas. 5. Tax imports so things made overseas aren't cheaper to make. 6. No more letting China export to us without letting us export to them.
Andrew B. Herzman November 11, 2011 at 02:06 PM
"The 2000 election doesn't bother me". Sad and scarry! Most Americans aren't "bothered" when their rights are taken away. Their right to vote, The Patriot Act, the abolishment of Habeus Corpus, illegal phone taps, random bag searches. tickets based on traffic light cameras, peaceful protestors being arrested...Most Americans don't care about much of anything except football scores and celebrity gossip. No wonder America is no longer number 1 at much, except, number 1 in teen pregnancies! The government wasn't "functioning effectively" in 2000. The vote count were illegaly stopped. The Supreme Court had no business getting involved....and it doesn't "bother" you? WOW!
Andrew B. Herzman November 11, 2011 at 02:15 PM
"I have worked for corporations for more than forty years and still do". It is next to impossible for anyone who works for corporations to EVER reach the 1% level. The playing field isn't level. People who earn their money by working have an unfair disadvantage compared to the people who make their money on tax loopholes, inside stock trades, massive layoffs, job outsourcing, denying medical insurance claims, jacking up oil prices, profiting from wars, giving out mortgages to people who can't afford them and all the other corrupt things motivated by pure greed and evil intents.


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